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Post by Nando on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:12 pm

Olympus and Panaleica came up with a "micro" 4/3 standard mount for mirror-less cameras. Obvious assumption is that an digital rangefinder or a compact auto-focus camera an interchangeable lenses. I'm thinking digital successors to the very compact Leica CL or the excellent Contax G system. However wide-angles becoming telephotos doesn't seem like a very pleasant thought. A 35mm would become like a 70mm in 4/3 mount. It would be nice if C-mount cine lenses can be mounted. There are lots of excellent, fast and cheap C-mount lenses out there.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0808/08080501microfourthirds.asp

Anyone up for a digital Oly 35SP or Pen-F? Very Happy

There's been great reaction at Rangefinderforum.com
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=62221
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Nando on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:40 pm

Forget about the C-mount lenses idea... The image of a C-mount lens is still too small to cover the 4/3 sensor.
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:50 am

Not sure how optimistic I am. I would love to see a new Olympus rangefinder but why wasn't Leica's name mentioned alongside Panasonic?

I think they'll make some Point-and-shoot style cameras with swappable lenses, the lenses will all be auto-focus. Probably no optical viewfinder.
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Post by Nando on Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:02 am

I don't think I'll ever give up my M's for this, but to my knowledge, this is the first digital camera format with interchangeable lenses that isn't an SLR or a monstrous MF-based system. I can envision something like a Contax-G system- fully automatic body but with complete manual override and a good range of quality prime lenses with perhaps one or two 'zoom-zoom-zap' lenses thrown in. There was a link on Rangefinderforum.com to a German webpage hinting a Leica CLd. Leica wasn't mentioned in the dpreview article but this is right up their alley. I have little doubt that they will at least be designing lenses for it. Their 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Vario-Elmarit and 25mm f1.4 Summilux are the most sought after lenses in the 4/3 system. One interesting thing though, I went onto Leica's website and couldn't find any mention of their excellent 24mm f1.4 Summilux. Perhaps its a sign!! Or perhaps I'm not looking in the right place on the website.

At least those that refuse to use any film whatsoever now will now have a mirror-less alternative to a a big, clunky SLR system besides Leica M-mount. Let's face it, a Leica M8 (despite it all its quirks, I feel its currently the best choice), with its $5000 price tag, is far too much an entry fee for most people and the jury is still out on whether it is truly upgradeable over time and if will retain value like previous M's. Leica said that it plans to support this camera for at least 30 years but will Leica, as a company, still be around in 10 years? The Bessa-based Epson RD-1 is cheaper but your still looking at $2000-3000 for the body and it looks like Epson will stop supporting this camera soon, if it hasn't stopped supporting it already. I've seen a few 'spy-shot' type photographs of a digital Nikon RF prototype with an M-mount. But I'm thinking that if Nikon ever does come out with a digital rangefinder, its going to be one expensive camera. Their last two rangefinders, the 2000 Millennium SP and the 2005 SP were both in the 'Leica price range'. Yes, I know that these Nikons were very limited edition cameras but I would be very surprised if a regular Nikon RF would be cheaper than the Epson whether it uses digital or film, especially if they were built to the high quality standards of their limited editions SP's.
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:26 pm

I guess I just can't get too excited because of the build of the Panasonic and especially Olympus SLR's. The camera world doesn't need more plastic.

Hopefully they do something exciting, but I'm not counting on it.
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:39 pm

Olympus' new prototype looks like a digital Werra! Very Happy



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Post by Nando on Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:50 pm

Good eye. Certainly looks like a Werra. Vulcanite pattern is even similar. The Oly needs an orange hood.

The Olympus looks smaller than I thought it would be. It looks similar in size to the D-Lux 4, which does not use the mini 4/3rd's mount. No strap lug(s)? At least they thought of an accessory shoe.
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Nando on Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:52 pm

Today, Leicarumours.com reports the existence of an adapter to allow Leica M-mount (an therefore Leica screw-mount) lenses to be used on micro 4/3rd cameras. I can imagine how nice that Olympus prototype above would be with a Gen III 35mm Summicron even if the crop-factor would make the focal length a 70mm equivalent.

There is also an adapter for Canon FD lenses, which is good news for Canon FD owners as these lenses have an orphaned mount. FD-EOS adapters are available but have extra glass elements to correct the lens for proper infinity focus and this degrades image quality.

http://leicarumors.com/2008/12/04/panasonic-lumix-g1-43rd-adapter-for-leica-lenses.aspx/


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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:02 pm

Dude... put your 24mm Elmarit on there and get close to a nice 50 Very Happy
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Nando on Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:35 pm

A GetDPI forum member named Vivek Lyer posted the first photos I've seen from the G1 with M-mount and screwmount lenses attached via the M-to-micro4/3rds adapter. He even mounted the monstrous Canon 50mm f0.95 to it and the focus was right on! I can't believe that the G1 was able to focus that lens.

http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4194

It's too bad that the camera body looks ugly and likely an ergonomic disaster. I'll be looking forward to the Werra look-a-likes from Olympus or hopefully a Leica CL-dee.


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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Nando on Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:46 pm

A photographer that goes by Arri on Flickr made his own C-mount to micro4/3rds adapter and is using some exotic Cine lenses including the ultra-fast 25mm f0.95 Angenieux and 25mm f0.95 Schneider Xenon. Unfortunately, it seems that some Cine lenses, like the 11mm f1.9 Scheider Curtagon, will not cover the entire image circle.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tachar/
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:49 pm

Should be a fun system.
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:34 pm

They had the G1 at Muntz's when I was there tonight. It looks decent enough. A little plasticy but that's to be expected these days.
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Post by Nando on Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:31 pm

I'm very anti-plastic! Brass, glass and vulcanite for me please.
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Nando on Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:35 pm

Our main television broke down and I went out today shopping for a new one. While at Muntz Stereo, I sampled the Panasonic G1.

Yes, a bit plasticky but not as plasticky as my old Canon digital rebel but perhaps on-par with the current crop of entry-level dSLR's (frankly, I wouldn't know). I found the camera to be quite big for what is supposed to be a compact camera. My all-metal, all-mechanical, Pentax MX seems smaller albeit heavier.

However, I cannot deny that having such a camera could be useful for extending the capabilities of my current rangefinder lenses. My 90mm Elmarit would be a 180mm f/2.8 with this camera, for example. My 50mm Summilux-ASPH would be a 100mm f/1.4! As of now, I seldom need/want anything longer than 90mm but if I do, I have to carry along my Pentax MX body with a big 70-210mm zoom in addition to my rangefinder kit. It's been proven the G1 can focus very fast and long rangefinder lenses with excellent accuracy. A G1 would eliminate my need for a SLR and lenses for telephoto. However, I would be concerned about prints - could I get an acceptable 16x20 print out of this camera like I can with my Pentax SLR? I doubt it! Even if I could, there is still many other issues I'd be concerned about.

Moreover, would I be confident in this plasticky camera to safely hold my lenses securely in its mount? The mount itself doesn't look very strong and it probably wasn't designed to take heavy lenses with chrome/nickel-plated brass barrels and all-glass elements. It was just a happy accident, perhaps, that M and screwmount lenses could be mounted to this camera via adapter. The last thing I'd want is for a lens, that took me years to save up for, dropping on the ground due the mount failing on the camera. Even if the mount is secure, I would never dare to mount an M-lens on the G1 and let the camera just hang from a neckstrap with those flakey strap-lugs unless the lens was a feather-weight like the CV 21mm.

My experience in handling the camera at the store was the same as what I experienced with a typical Batman SLR except that I found manual focusing is nicer on the G1's EV viewfinder. Its very likely that I would grow to really hate the G1 once the novelty of using the new camera wears off. In truth, if it was just a miniature version of the Panasonic LC1 with its traditional controls but retaining the EV viewfinder, the G1 would have been a much better camera. Although the G1 may be useful to me as an alternative to a (manual) SLR for telephoto, because of its Bat-interface, the probability of me eventually throwing the G1 into St. Mary's River is quite high. For other people, it may be a pleasant camera to use but I know that it won't be very pleasant for me. I'll wait for the Olympus offering - hopefully a smaller, more user-friendly camera. In-body image stabilization would be an asset when using this camera for telephoto. Still, if the motivation to get a micro-4/3rd camera is for using rangefinder lenses on it, I wouldn't get one until after I see a sufficient amount of feedback demonstrating that the mount (with adapter) is more than sufficiently strong to handle heavy lenses over time.
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Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:30 am

I agree Leica would be smart to keep their relationship going with Panasonic and release a bare bones CL Digital. That 2x crop is pretty hard to live with everyday though.
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Nando on Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:15 pm

CL Digital based on the micro 4/3rd would be nice. Leica is pushing the new D-Lux 4 for as a "system camera". The D-Lux 4 is obviously Leica's answer to the Ricoh GRD and GRDII. If you asked me, a CL digital with interchangeable lenses would have been more attractive camera than the D-Lux 4 if I were looking at a Ricoh GRD alternative.
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Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:38 pm

I just don't know how practical a 16mm or 18mm would be to get 35mm, and 25mm would be the biggest I'd probably go. My Biogon would be a 70mm f/2.

I guess my Canon 50mm f/1.4 acts like an 80mm on my Rebel, so I guess I can't complain.
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Post by Nando on Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:11 am

I would only use rangefinder lenses on it for telephoto thereby extending the range of a current rangefinder kit. For wide-angle and normals, it really doesn't make sense to use anything but micro-4/3rd lenses.
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Post by Nando on Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:48 am

Panasonic added HD video to the G1 for the PMA show.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09030316lumixgh1handson.asp

Where is Olympus?
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Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:18 pm

They've announced a whack of new products at PMA but the Olympus M4/3rds camera is still strangely absent.

I guess we'll have to keep waiting.
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Re: New Micro 4/3rd's mount for non-SLR Cameras

Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:52 am

The concept camera was at PMA, but no announcement.

At least they still exist in some form.

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Post by Nando on Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:40 pm

Rumour has it that Leica's micro-4/3rd's solution may come in the form of the next D-Lux at Photokina 2010.

http://leicarumors.com/2009/04/24/leica-d-lux-5-in-photokina-2010.aspx/
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Post by Kenneth Armstrong on Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:13 pm

At this rate Leica will beat Olympus.
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Post by Nando on Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:44 pm

At least Olympus didn't place a two-page ad in Rangefinder Magazine promising something "BIG" and then, mysteriously, go silent after Photokina. Very Happy

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